Please Don´t Kill Me For Referencing Bad Literature

I am about to give an annoying example. In Twilight there is a character that controls how the people around him feel. Why do I mention this guy? In chapter nine of thank you for arguing, the main idea is pathos and how important it is to have a sympathetic feeling between the speaker and the audience.

With the power of pathos, the judgment of the audience can be affected. Aristotle believed that emotion came from beliefs and combined the emotional with the rational together.

The author then continues that emotion actually comes from experience and expectation. If we go back to Jasper, his mood controlling abilities were usually more useful when the characters were going through a hectic experience. His ability of controlling the mood eased his audience.

The key is to give the audience the sensation of an experience so you can arouse more emotion.

The best way to do this is by telling a story. Make the story detailed and vivid so that the audience "will think it could happen again." ( Pg 81) Details can be powerful when you want to make someone feel a certain way. This week for example, I've been trying to get my parents to feel bad about making me take the Saber courses. Each day I tell them every detail about how I sit in a chair being taught by some really boring people and describing ever single homework that I have to get done.

Its important not to let your emotions take over, though. Gradually use pathos in your argument and really keep it in check at the beginning when you are just exposing your points. You could use humor since it is a good way to give credit to your ethos and makes for a good way to tap into your audiences emotions. Aside from humor, patriotism, emulation, and anger are also great ways to work your pathos. 

Act Out That Rhetoric

Acting is essential in anyone attempting to give a good speech. Acting has to do with the whole idea of seeming vs being, since you seem to be something but really you are just acting. The character you personify when you give a speech is who you think will appeal more to the audience. Selflessness and likability are combined in the third ethos asset. This asset is full of tricks that need a little bit of acting from the speakers part. The tricks discussed in this chapter have to be believable to the audience therefore the one using them, has to be crafty on how they go about getting the listeners to agree.

 The first role in this ethos "play" is the interested uninterested. You have to "sound as if you reached your opinion only after confronting overwhelming evidence." (Pg 73) to fully assume this role, you must seem completely unattributed by what you do want. That way it will be in what you are saying and seem more appealing to the listener. Along with this role, you must act as if what you want doesn't benefit you. It pains you to be saying it. Remember Lizzie Mcguiere's little brother? He was a master at this technique as you can see in this video in minute four. 

 The next role you must assume is to make it seem like you are not assuming a role. In the eyes of the audience you are who is giving the speech. The book calls this dubitatio. When you assume this role, you use your acting skills to "seem to be in doubt about what to say" (pg 75). Ease into your character rather than starting strong from the beginning. Just always keep in mind to be in character so that your audience doesn't notice the real seeming vs being complex that hides behind every speech.  

 An actor could go a long way in this business  They would achieve fame fortune and power by acting a role. Ethos is all about seeming versus being. Makes me think of the governator and how his acting chops got him there...

LMFAO Knows Their Rhetoric

LMFAO talks about working out and rocking a sexy body. If you think about it, they are trying to persuade us of this fact. They pose situations in which they highlight their um attributes so that the audience begins to believe it. Did you honestly think they were good looking before you knew why? LMFAO played us. They wanted the world to know they were sexy and they have achieved it. Dany Glover used to be sexy right? When did fully exposing the reasons you are good looking become so open and believable to some?

LMFAO must have used techniques from this book to brainwash us. In their song, LMFAO don't base the topic around why its good for them to be sexy and know it, but rather why it is a privilege for the audience to know it. By singing the "argument on what's good for the audience" (pg 98) they make us believe that they really are a gift to the world. Not to mention the never ending repeat of "look at that body" and "I work out". By using this technique of babbling what they really are doing is creating a commonplace. This is the jumping of point of their argument since when have we not stopped and stared at someone or know what it is to work out. By creating these situations, the listener relates to what LMFAO is saying. Can anyone oppose exercising  without seeming lazy? No! Here is where the common place label comes in and makes anyone who doesn't agree seem like an outsider.

This song has connotations. Some of them not appropriate for a school assigment blog. The song doesn't accept the terms used in every day life and changes them. When they sing the wiggle part, it could have been shake it. They added their own term to make it more appealing and in favor of the popularity of their song. Also, "Wiggle wiggle" could be that group called The Wiggles. LMFAO uses its own redefinition for wiggle to mean epic movement of the hips. 

LMFAO are also clear users of framing techniques. Their choice of words are common place words that let anyone relate and favors the catchyness of their song. They offer different contexts in which the audience can find themselves so that it is in its broadest context. Next thing you know, this song is sounding more appealing at the gym or the beach. By using future tense in some parts of the song, they highlight that no matter what situation or problem, their sexyness will get them through it so that the audience doesn't panic.

*very exagerated blog post to explain rhetoric. Some thoughts written not according to what the author truly believes.

Do The Hamlet

The audience is always right. For all intents and purposes this is an important idea if you are trying to persuade someone. In chapter six of Thank You For Arguing, ethos is explained more in depth. The chapter discusses the importance of seeming a certain way towards your audience. The goal is to convince the audience of something whether its approving your plan or voting for you, so play the part the audience expects you to play.

In a sense this chapter reminds me of Hamlet because the whole dilemma of that play was seeming versus being. No one is saying you have to pretend to be crazy or be crazy to capture your audience. Each group has its own set of values. If you uphold or seem to uphold that groups values, you got it in the bag. The book describes someone who upholds the values of a group as "rhetorically virtuous" (pg 57). Ideas can vary from group to group and it is important that you understand the values important to the group you are speaking to. You have to match the beliefs of your audience so that they are receptive to what you are saying and therefore, attracted to your ethos.

Ethos is also affected by bragging or letting someone else do the bragging for you. Going back to Hamlet, it is kind of like him acting crazy. Sure he could act as bizarre as he could, but it was people spreading the word of his madness that sped up the process of... more craziness in that play. The power about what others say about you is very important. You could brag and brag all you want but that might end up tinting your ethos rather than making you more appealing to your audience. Instead if, oh I don't know, someone let it slip that you once saved a sheep from a burning barn and more people started bragging for you, it would make you seem great at the mouths of others.

The last two tools discussed in this chapter are making a flaw noble and switching sides. By revealing " some defect that shows your dedication to the audiences values." (pg 63) they will be instantly attracted to whatever you are proposing. There are risks with this strategy since it could make you look like a suck up but if used the right way, it will be touching to those you want to persuade. The last strategy is the trickiest to pull off. When you realize that your side is going to lose and make a quick jump into the other team. Hamlet jumped from being sane to being insane to persuade others around him (sort of). The last strategy is more of a back up plan and should only be used in emergencies.

So whether you actually agree with the values in your audience, you have to make them think that you do. To sum it up, do the Hamlet.

Political Debate and Find the Rhetoric

This is the first time I watch a presidential debate. You could say I am not really that into politics but this debate was watched on a more rhetorical quest. Get it? Over the past few lessons we have been discussing topics that revolve around rhetoric, the art of persuasion.  What better way to play "Find the Rhetoric" than with the last presidential debate?

Throughout the whole debate the easiest things to identify was pathos. Every time there was an uplifting moment of "America is…" it is to raise a sentiment of nationalism among the American people. Any talk of peace was a way to uplift the viewer and playing with their emotions. While discussing the question about U.S polices in Syria, Romney made a clear use of pathos when he mentioned the refugees and the dead offering condolences. Then when discussing if an attack on Israel would be considered an attack to the U.S, Romney mentions obamas alleged apology tour but Obama has got some pathos in his back pocket. He rebuttals by saying that when he was just a candidate and went to Israel, he visited the Holocaust museum and was showed where missiles landed close to children's bedrooms. Needles to say, pathos was present in all the discussions in the debate in one way or another.

The debate had lots of talks of the future. Lots of verbs in future tense were used to illustrate what each person would do if elected president. This is where lots of the future plans were discussed and where the choices were discussed. Basically anything involving the future used a deliberative way of speaking so it was not that hard to pick up. It was also no surprise that the forensic way of speaking was also evident. Whenever the candidates got candid with each other and accusatory, forensic was there. An example of this (among many) was in the first question when Obama accused Romney of inconsistencies in things he had said or pointing out things he had said. Romney also accused Obama of making countries in the Middle East think that America is not that strong when he went on an apology tour, making negative comments about America.

Logos is not that hard to miss. Every time a candidate stated any sort of facts or explanations about what was going on, they were using logic to explain it in their advantage. Figures were not used as much but when discussing testing in Massachusetts Romney gives fact about how 4th graders and 8th graders performed. Obama wasn't far behind. He presented facts about his administration and when discussing the deficit. It was not just about presenting these facts. By combining logos with forensic, a key point could be made against the opponents. Whenever any logos of figures was used it was usually followed by accusation.

The only two rhetorical topics that were a little harder to spot for me were ethos and demonstrative. Demonstrative, I assumed was mostly when there was talks about what was being done and any sort of inclination toward values. When the words "We are" were used I assumed there was a demonstrative verb involved in what followed these words. This was pretty challenging but Obama showed more of this since he could actually talk about the present and say what was being done. Ethos was also pretty challenging but I found one or two examples. When the character was put into question, ethos showed through. Obama pointed out Romney's strategies and decisions, and while it could also be forensic, it was an attack on the person Romney is. Whenever an accusation was made towards the reputation of the other was made, ethos was part of the debate.

All in all, the debate was really interesting and clearly showed what it is like to control an audience and peoples opinions. The rhetoric used in this debate can make someone want to vote for one person or make someone completely hate that person. Oh politics...

Getting A Toy And A Little Sheldon Cooper

Arguing involves logos, pathos, and ethos. Aristotle said that by combining these  three skills,  we "appeal to the brain, gut, and heart." Of the audience. The brain takes care of organizing ideas, the gut dictates whether the person is trustworthy, and the heart gives us a longing to want to participate.

In the book Thank You For Arguing, the author gives an example of the use of logos, pathos, and ethos, when he mentions an argument with his son. These three skills evened out the playing field since the author knew what he was doing while the boy just did it. This makes me realize we all have an ability to use logos, pathos, and ethos to our advantage.

When a child is trying to convince her parents to buy her a toy, Aristotles big three can come into play so that the toy will actually be bought. The child can pick up the toy and ask her parents to get it for her. If the response is a denial followed by a reason, the child can use what the audience says to work in favor of their argument using logic. Ethos comes into play when the essence of the child is annalized. How can a little kid not be trustworthy and deserving of a toy? The child can observe in her parents eyes that they are about to crack and can now work in some pathos so that seeming to "struggle for self control" (41) and a genuine emotion, will guarantee the buying of the toy.

Pathos adds a little more to the argument because by using sympathy, you understand what the audiences emotion is and you can change it to work in your advantage. The other two skills are as important but emotion always has a lasting effect on others. People remember when you gave them advice from the heart rather than simply pointed out why their problem occurs.

Think of ethos and logos as Sheldon Cooper. His reputation is well known and his logic is outstanding but he always fails in social situations because of his lack of tact. He is missing pathos and is a clear example of how pathos is a key component. If Sheldon life was an argument, he would outshine anyone in the first two skills but would always fail in the end because he lacks the ability to be sympathetic  and can't read other peoples emotions. When he does, its creepy.

Fighting Versus Arguing

In chapter 2 of Thank You For Arguing, the main topic of discussion is how fighting and arguing are different. The author explains that rhetoric is all about arguing and not fighting. When a person fights they use aggression, but when they argue the goal is to change another persons mid set. Fighting will not get you anywhere since its primary tool is not even relate to persuasion. By arguing you can manipulate the other person to agree with you and "want to do what you want."
An example given in the text is arguing with a police officer. There is a clear difference between going all rude on the guy and assuring you will get a ticket, and conceding. This is a clear point in this part of the chapter. By conceding to your opponents view, you can get what you want. By avoiding the fight with the officer and respecting his authority, you will probably leave ticketless. even an officer admits that they don't want you to fight with them. Click here and keep in mind that the officer should be saying fight and not argue.
 The other technique used for this case was having an excuse. Once, my mom got pulled over by an officer because it was pico y placa. I was dead asleep on the copilot chair and not sleeping in the most attractive position (mouth open kind of look). My mother decided to start telling the policeman that I was sick and that she was taking me to the hospital. It was not true but it did let us leave, ticketless.
The chapter continues with three main points to seduce:
Changing the mood
Deciding what you want
Get it act
When you change the audiences mood, you make them more willing to listen ergo easier to manipulate. Then when the mood is right you can manipulate them to want what you want them to want. The last step involves more emotion since you are about to make someone do something without them thinking it is a big deal.

This is all about being able to use persuasion to your advantage without fighting. Instead of punching someone, think about making them do something you want without them even realizing it. That will actually get you something rather than cause physical pain.

Amazon Simplicity and Change

The book Gringo by Chesa Boudin, keeps making me learn and understand South America every time. I just finished the chapter in which he goes into the Amazon and everything he encounters there. What I most enjoy about this memoir is that even though it is told by a gringo, it is very open minded. I have talked with gringos that think that their country needs to come into South America and take over so that "something good will happen." This mentality wears me out. It is refreshing to know that there are Americans that have grown up knowing that there is more than meets the eye to South America.

Boudin mentions the "gringo wild card" in every country he is in. From this, one can infer that he understands the position he has and doesn't try to disguise who he is but he attempts to go beyond it. In the chapter about the Amazon, Boudin travels in an uncomfortable cargo ship and when he reaches his destination, stays in a cramped little apartment with fifteen other people. Not once is there any complain about the uncomforted of the boat or any criticism of how the people live. This just makes it clear that Boudins memoir was not written to criticizes latin america but to understand it just as it is. This, once again, demonstrates his informal register when he describes what is around him and how he reacts to it.

An example of this is his description of the small apartment he stayed in:
"Lara shared a simple two- bedroom apartment above a minimart up a flight of cement stairs with peeling paint and behind a rusty steel gate... Seven children shared one bed and others alternated between the big bed in the second room, thin mattresses on the floor, the couch and hammocks." (page 91)
What I think stands out about this description and shows Boudins neutral tone towards the realities of South America, is how he describes it. I am sure that not many Americans would take in this scene with such calmness but would rather take to criticize the way of living. They would bust out the always famous phrase of: "In America ladidadida".

Boudin understands what it means to be American in Latin America. He knows that at times, human connections with those around him might only involve what latinos think he could offer them. A job in the US or just giving them money but Boudin goes beyond this. He writes that  he can't separate his personality from his nationality and this is why he doesn't bust out his money while he traveling. The subtitle of this book is "A coming-of-age in Latin America" and when Boudin reflects on issues like this, he demonstrates how he is growing and learning because of the experiences here. By understanding this, the memoir is so much more than what it seems because as you see change in the countries he passes, you see a change within him.

Smart Gringo

One thing that is amazing about this memoir, is the change in setting. More than that, it is how the author adjusts his attitude towards things every time he encounters something new. It can be intimidating to be a foreigner in latin america, especially an american. Chase Boudin is open to anything and through his travel, he encounters new situations that not only shape him as a person, but give an interesting dynamic to his memoir.

Boudin has a way of writing that is understandable for anyone to relate to the text. To achieve this, He uses an informal register. By writing in an informal register, he is able to add spanish words, give his own opinion, and fully explain latin America. Giving his own thaoughts and opinions is crucial since this is how a foreigner is viewing things as opposed to a latino.

A clear example of this is the protest  in chapter two. Here, Boudin narrates what he sees through his foreginers eyes. This means he takes in more details than someone who is used to these protests and only gives an over view. Some details he gives are the molotov cocktails " assembled from beer bottles filled with gasoline" (page 33) or the appearance of the police " dressed in Olive green, with body shields and gas cannons." (Page 33) It is details like these that keep the reader hooked and interested in the text.

Boudins word choice is very simple and I haven't come across any words that I would consider challenging. Boudin also uses the original spanish he hears and then translates it into english. it is more powerful for the text to be there "raw" before it is translated since, the anger is felt more passionately or the mocking tone. I believe that is what Boudin was trying to show by leaving the text in spanish first. For example in page 57 when Boudin only uses the words "gracias hermanos" and "muy importante" when he talks with professor Vitale, you get the sensation of how much it meant for Boudin and how there is a reason he picked those words. He wanted to highlight that even though rude things were said in spanish there were others with a deeper meaning for him.

As I continue reading, I hope to have a better understanding of latin america. It is hard not becoming enveloped in this memoir that explains south america so clearly even to a latina.

Debating the Usage

Reading the debate from the New York Times, I agree with Lane. He uses various examples in his writing to prove his point like The Elements of Style and the Bible. Both writers presented their points clearly but his point seemed stronger.

To further understand what is going on here there are two kinds of language "teams". There are the descriptivist who try to describe language as it is used, and the prescriptivist who focus on the usage of language as it is expected. Personally I believe language never stays the same and these rules that are applied, are a good tool but shouldn't dictate how a person uses language. This is why Lanes view on the subject appealed to me more. 

lane submits a meta rule that would let language grow while still applying some rules to it. In this meta rule he proposes that "When a proposed rule and actual usage conflict, the proposed rule is false, and actual usage should be our guide."Even though the other writer does not agree with his meta rule, I think its a good way to work from an error in something to the usage of it. This way it can be applied in a way that in a sense is mainstream and anyone can understand.

What really got me to take this side was when Lane wrote: "I glory in the real-world mess of dialects and slang, and think that some popular prescriptivists have imposed some bogus nonrules on too many schoolchildren.". It is true that most of the times what I write is not really how I talk with my friends but it all depends on the register. Still, wouldn't it be pretty interesting to see how slang could come into writing without the rules dictating how it should and shouldn't?

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